thomachan72
04-11 10:29 AM
I reiterate what I said in my earlier post. The purpose of the post was not to start an argument. It was just an explanation of a baffling retrogression of dates.
Many people in these forums were asking bewilderingly, how can dates which were already retrogressed by eight years can go further back? Are there people around who are waiting for 8 years just to get their labors cleared? If their labors were already done, then what were they doing for 8 years before filing AOS petitions? I explained that no, nobody was waiting for all these years at the labor stage. These are new candidates utilizing old pre-approved labors. Thats all.
In fact, I predict retrogression to U level in EB2-I also. Many of these same people will now jump the queue again and switch to EB2 category.
Again, this is no judgment passing. Just an explanation of things as they stand. It is what it is.
Peace.
no problem. by the way before somebody jumps on you..pls update your profile. :D
Many people in these forums were asking bewilderingly, how can dates which were already retrogressed by eight years can go further back? Are there people around who are waiting for 8 years just to get their labors cleared? If their labors were already done, then what were they doing for 8 years before filing AOS petitions? I explained that no, nobody was waiting for all these years at the labor stage. These are new candidates utilizing old pre-approved labors. Thats all.
In fact, I predict retrogression to U level in EB2-I also. Many of these same people will now jump the queue again and switch to EB2 category.
Again, this is no judgment passing. Just an explanation of things as they stand. It is what it is.
Peace.
no problem. by the way before somebody jumps on you..pls update your profile. :D
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realizeit
02-25 11:04 AM
First of all let me thank all of you who responded to this thread positively or negatively. I have a humble request. Please make sure that the comments that you post in this thread are not finger pointers to anyone else in the community. Please provide your positive or negative comments about this idea. Also make sure that your comments are not cynical ones which will just put this idea into the dust bin. If you can't motivate, please do not discourage others from getting some motivation and giving motivation. Without positive energy and a conducive environment, we will not achieve anything. If you have high cynical opinion, please hold that with you - as it will help you as well - because by doing that, you are helping this community to work on an issue with positive energy. If there is some positive outcome of the effort by this community, you too can enjoy the fruit. So, my point is, your biggest help would be keeping quiet. Let�s have a constructive and productive brain storming.
Even after this brain-storming, if our conclusion is negative, we should not give up. We should continue to work on this and if this requires a legislative change, still this may be an easy one as it won�t add any new GC numbers to the existing quota. This just removes the UNCERTAINITY surrounds our life. What I meant was, there won�t be much ammunition that the protectionists and anti-immigrants can gather against this effort.
I can completely understand the user Ganguteli�s frustration. He has a very valid point too, with respect to applying for I-485 when dates are not current. As I quoted earlier �A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.�. So, we should continue this effort in small steps instead of a big bang method. In this current economic environment, if our proposal is too big, it could get ignored within no time. Administration will say that, we will do this along with Comprehensive Immigration reform or something like that. We may add a reasonable addition to this proposal to fix the problems of folks like Ganguteli. Something like, if your 140 is approved and 1 year has passed, the person must be able to apply for 485 irrespective of whether his country is retrogressed or not. I am not sure about the legality of all these. That�s where the importance of this community emerges. If we can work together, we can solve all our problems in small steps.
If IV and our community take this as a priority item to work on, I will provide $500.00 as an initial aid to this effort. I could offer more on the way.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
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US citizen of Indian origin
Even after this brain-storming, if our conclusion is negative, we should not give up. We should continue to work on this and if this requires a legislative change, still this may be an easy one as it won�t add any new GC numbers to the existing quota. This just removes the UNCERTAINITY surrounds our life. What I meant was, there won�t be much ammunition that the protectionists and anti-immigrants can gather against this effort.
I can completely understand the user Ganguteli�s frustration. He has a very valid point too, with respect to applying for I-485 when dates are not current. As I quoted earlier �A journey of a thousand miles begins with a small step.�. So, we should continue this effort in small steps instead of a big bang method. In this current economic environment, if our proposal is too big, it could get ignored within no time. Administration will say that, we will do this along with Comprehensive Immigration reform or something like that. We may add a reasonable addition to this proposal to fix the problems of folks like Ganguteli. Something like, if your 140 is approved and 1 year has passed, the person must be able to apply for 485 irrespective of whether his country is retrogressed or not. I am not sure about the legality of all these. That�s where the importance of this community emerges. If we can work together, we can solve all our problems in small steps.
If IV and our community take this as a priority item to work on, I will provide $500.00 as an initial aid to this effort. I could offer more on the way.
An interesting idea to say the least. Out of box suggestion.
However, there are few things, from legal point of view, it needs to overcome. I will post my detailed comments this afternoon.
Once again, this is a great idea!
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Not a legal advice
US citizen of Indian origin
bsbawa10
09-12 03:08 AM
Bwbawa,
Hats off for your efforts! I was about to suggest adding "We want accountability" to the posters when I saw it in the last one .. maybe these words should be in CAPS, "JUSTICE" "ACCOUNTABILITY" etc.. ?
Good job!
Lets now draw up a list of persons/media outlets/organizations to send them to.
Just created one more poster.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
One of the persons should be Director USCIS.
One letter/poster to each service center.
One I think should be President of US.
Another place could be CNN, FOX news etc.
Another one could be Congressmen
If we have our blogs , we can post them there also.
Hats off for your efforts! I was about to suggest adding "We want accountability" to the posters when I saw it in the last one .. maybe these words should be in CAPS, "JUSTICE" "ACCOUNTABILITY" etc.. ?
Good job!
Lets now draw up a list of persons/media outlets/organizations to send them to.
Just created one more poster.
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd4vkcmm_132g6jcsffz&invite=hczhh8x
One of the persons should be Director USCIS.
One letter/poster to each service center.
One I think should be President of US.
Another place could be CNN, FOX news etc.
Another one could be Congressmen
If we have our blogs , we can post them there also.
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chanduy9
07-05 02:15 PM
saying "I love you Emilio" for screwing up my I-485 app.
Please dont wait for any one...just send the flowers on JULY10TH.
Thanks,
Chandra.
Please dont wait for any one...just send the flowers on JULY10TH.
Thanks,
Chandra.
Libra
07-06 12:26 PM
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VivekAhuja
02-25 11:53 PM
This idea will just put another layer on the GC process. If you are going to make a rule/law to allow this 5 year EAD and new status, why not instead change the LAW to allow higher numbers of yearly GC cards or remove the country based limits.
LC -I140 - I485 -AOS - Do we really want another layer?
LC -I140 - I485 -AOS - Do we really want another layer?
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07-17 08:24 PM
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chandler_vt
04-30 08:24 AM
If less than 20,000 MS H1B applications were received on April 2, what will be the rules of the lottery? Will all those whose applications were received on April 2 be guaranteed a H1? In this case,will lottery apply for April 3 and April 4?
If an application is received on April 2 and there are enough h1s available then clearly that application wont be subjected to a lottery. Lottery is only applicable to applications received on the same day when there are not enough h1s available.
If an application is received on April 2 and there are enough h1s available then clearly that application wont be subjected to a lottery. Lottery is only applicable to applications received on the same day when there are not enough h1s available.
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pappu
02-27 03:16 PM
I am going to take the liberty of putting together an agenda for the conference call, just to make it more productive. I can play scribe for the call.
The call will be for a maximum of 60 mins, unless someone wants to take it longer than that.
1. Quick introductions - State your name - GC application stage. - 10 mins
2. Brainstorming session -- 20 mins
2. Volunteers who want to be part of the smaller sub-group need to come forward. -- 5 mins
This is purely to get thoughts/ideas streamlined. Everybody needs to chip in once the action plans are drafted.
3. Volunteers to exchange contact information. -- 10 mins
4. Miscellaneous -- 15 mins (if needed)
Please add more items if you feel they are necessary.
I will try to scrape all the ideas generated in this thread and will summarize for the call. If anyone wants to post more ideas/comments/suggestions/criticisms, go right ahead and post.
Good idea to have a conference call.
Create a team of people who want to actively take part in such effort. These people will be leaders and will do all the planning and execution.
We will provide support for the functioning of this team.
Work on various ideas and see if they can be implemented, are as per current law and regulations.... What kind of budget do you need and can help raise etc.
We will provide guidance during the process if you need it. Also explore the possibility of a big lobby day in DC and create a team of participants for it. We see this event as a possibility in the near future to push our advocacy efforts.
The call will be for a maximum of 60 mins, unless someone wants to take it longer than that.
1. Quick introductions - State your name - GC application stage. - 10 mins
2. Brainstorming session -- 20 mins
2. Volunteers who want to be part of the smaller sub-group need to come forward. -- 5 mins
This is purely to get thoughts/ideas streamlined. Everybody needs to chip in once the action plans are drafted.
3. Volunteers to exchange contact information. -- 10 mins
4. Miscellaneous -- 15 mins (if needed)
Please add more items if you feel they are necessary.
I will try to scrape all the ideas generated in this thread and will summarize for the call. If anyone wants to post more ideas/comments/suggestions/criticisms, go right ahead and post.
Good idea to have a conference call.
Create a team of people who want to actively take part in such effort. These people will be leaders and will do all the planning and execution.
We will provide support for the functioning of this team.
Work on various ideas and see if they can be implemented, are as per current law and regulations.... What kind of budget do you need and can help raise etc.
We will provide guidance during the process if you need it. Also explore the possibility of a big lobby day in DC and create a team of participants for it. We see this event as a possibility in the near future to push our advocacy efforts.
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arnab221
09-29 05:43 AM
On the contrary Air India is one of the best airlines now and I fly air India all the time .
You might not find young women in tight skirts as the cabin crew but the service of the middle aged Air-India crew is very good.
They have spanking new 777's with wide seats and latest entertainment systems. Tickets are real cheap and round trip to India can be as low as $650 to $700 with taxes per person . When flights are empty I can streach on 3 seats and sleep . JFK to Mumbai nonstop is only 13 hours , sometimes done in 12 also , which is what I spend sometimes when I travel from NYC to LA . On the contrary if you go through Europe it takes like 26 hours and immigration and all the hassle in London/Frankfurt and unecessary waste of time .Air India meals are Indian and not sphagetti and pasta like the western airlines( not to hurt the sentiments of the pasta , spagetti lovers ).
The staff is generous and many times I have been offerred multiple meals on the airline when they see that a person my size ( 6' 1) has to survive on a small morsel like that . :D. Drinks when asked are served generously.
The staff is very good and polite and last but not the least , it is my national airline .
Off course the airline has been affected because of some mismanagement and I consider the Indian government to be responsible for the same not the airline staff , cabin crew and pilots .
You might not find young women in tight skirts as the cabin crew but the service of the middle aged Air-India crew is very good.
They have spanking new 777's with wide seats and latest entertainment systems. Tickets are real cheap and round trip to India can be as low as $650 to $700 with taxes per person . When flights are empty I can streach on 3 seats and sleep . JFK to Mumbai nonstop is only 13 hours , sometimes done in 12 also , which is what I spend sometimes when I travel from NYC to LA . On the contrary if you go through Europe it takes like 26 hours and immigration and all the hassle in London/Frankfurt and unecessary waste of time .Air India meals are Indian and not sphagetti and pasta like the western airlines( not to hurt the sentiments of the pasta , spagetti lovers ).
The staff is generous and many times I have been offerred multiple meals on the airline when they see that a person my size ( 6' 1) has to survive on a small morsel like that . :D. Drinks when asked are served generously.
The staff is very good and polite and last but not the least , it is my national airline .
Off course the airline has been affected because of some mismanagement and I consider the Indian government to be responsible for the same not the airline staff , cabin crew and pilots .
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as_rudra
07-17 06:55 PM
My hats off to the core group! A Big thank you for all the time and effort you guys have put for the common cause.:)
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pak
07-17 08:01 PM
Congratulations on first success. All will enjoy the real fruits. This is just start. Finish is to get the bill passed for more visa numbers, more transparency in DOS / USCIS.
Thanks we will not forget your efforts.
Thanks we will not forget your efforts.
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zoooom
07-17 07:23 PM
Thanks a lot to all members for being with us in this struggle. We have tasted our first big success this year. Credit goes to each and every IV member. We were all affected by the visa bulletin fiasco and this is our victory. This is a victory for all our members and we must rejoice.
IV had worked very hard and had been pushing for this in the background. Our flower campaign, rally and other advocacy efforts all came together and helped us at a crunch time. We thank members that sent flowers and also walked in the San Jose heat for 4 hours. All that really shows our commitment to this cause.
We are happy that our efforts are successful and IV has been able to make a difference. Please also know that during this effort, IV was extremely active and decision makers heard our voice. We cannot give out all the details but what IV members should know is that these efforts should make each one of us proud and what we can do if we have a firm resolve. We were also the first to break this news even before anyone else or media could, and continued to update our members as time passed.
IV also thanks its contributing members and it is because of their contributions we were able to continue this effort. Many thanks to the members that are contributing now after this good news.
Please continue your support for this organization and be an integral member of this ever growing community, so that this journey can continue and we can end retrogression and have immigrationvoice as our voice.
Team IV
Thanks Pappu...Kudos to you and the whole team....
Man this Pappu name is funny :)
IV had worked very hard and had been pushing for this in the background. Our flower campaign, rally and other advocacy efforts all came together and helped us at a crunch time. We thank members that sent flowers and also walked in the San Jose heat for 4 hours. All that really shows our commitment to this cause.
We are happy that our efforts are successful and IV has been able to make a difference. Please also know that during this effort, IV was extremely active and decision makers heard our voice. We cannot give out all the details but what IV members should know is that these efforts should make each one of us proud and what we can do if we have a firm resolve. We were also the first to break this news even before anyone else or media could, and continued to update our members as time passed.
IV also thanks its contributing members and it is because of their contributions we were able to continue this effort. Many thanks to the members that are contributing now after this good news.
Please continue your support for this organization and be an integral member of this ever growing community, so that this journey can continue and we can end retrogression and have immigrationvoice as our voice.
Team IV
Thanks Pappu...Kudos to you and the whole team....
Man this Pappu name is funny :)
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03-06 03:46 PM
I sent the email to the 'Country Cap' focus group, lets see how many responds...
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anilsal
09-08 01:06 PM
I do not want to be involved in faith restored discussion.... I have been in IV for long enough to know about IV... and since i know IV considerbly well... that is the reason i put forward my question in this open forum... Since IV is open organization.... some might prefer it to be PM but i prefer it to be open discussion
I feel you have every right to wish for open discussion. I do not think anyone will have any issues with that.
Thanks for your long association with IV. I would like to welcome you to get involved with IV activities at the next level. :) That will do justice to your long association with IV.
Please try to attend the DC rally. :)
I feel you have every right to wish for open discussion. I do not think anyone will have any issues with that.
Thanks for your long association with IV. I would like to welcome you to get involved with IV activities at the next level. :) That will do justice to your long association with IV.
Please try to attend the DC rally. :)
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matreen
07-17 09:04 PM
I respect the efforts done by IV for whole community to come out of this real time problem.
inthe begening people were saying something about IV updates as it appears to be false but IV proved that they were right and accurate and I think that makes community to trust IV.
I would l like to say a big time thank you to IV to make all the faces smily.
thanks,
M
inthe begening people were saying something about IV updates as it appears to be false but IV proved that they were right and accurate and I think that makes community to trust IV.
I would l like to say a big time thank you to IV to make all the faces smily.
thanks,
M
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wandmaker
12-04 12:09 PM
It will take 10 years to see the light (GC) at the end of the tunnel, IV can help you get there faster. How faster you get there depends on your contribution?
sabhayk
05-02 01:49 PM
Mine was also applied on 23rd in the Masters cap. No notice yet. They say it will take some weeks. Hopefully it should come soon as the site says only 22 left to be receipted.
alisa
02-04 08:03 PM
Look.
I would have to be an absolute moron to contribute to IV, and to work for it, if at the end it costs me more in getting a green card.
So, either you think that IV-ers from ROW are morons. Or you want them to quit, and turn this organization into an Indians-only group.
Its as simple as that. You can quote all the laws in the universe, and come up with all the fancy logic that you want. But what I have said above is what it all boils down to.
No one here takes advantage of any group. We are talking here is what law says and how it is implemented by various agencies. The problem is there is doubt that DOS has not understood the law. No one is against ROW and loves India and China. US immigration simply based on preference catagories. For example, wife of U.S citzen will be given first preference in immigration (FB1) compare to brothers and sisters of US permanent residents (FB4or5). This is the law.
Similar thing in employment catagories too. Before 2000, there is a verical spill over of EB visas. Becase of this, a high skilled workers from India/China has to wait more compare to low skilled workers from ROW. This practice will not put US in technological edge. Thats why AC21 law implemented.
After 2000, congress removed country quota in all EB catagoires. The simple reason is to make US competiveness in 21st century. The intend is simple.
The simple meaning of AC21 law is, for example, let us assume following hypothitical situation. There are 40,000 noble prize winners from Mexico. All of them applying EB1 visas in a FY. In same FY, no one from other countries applied EB1 visa. As per AC21 rule, entire 40,000 visas (100%) goes to Mexico in EB1 irrsepective of how EB2 or EB3 or FE catagories are retrogressed or howmany mexians in EB/FB are waiting. This is what congress intend to promote high skilled immigrants to USA. This is what american competivness in 21 century. The intent here is noble prize winners should not wait even if they are from oversubscribed countries like mexico.
If you read word by word of AC21 rule ..you will understand what I am saying.
INA 202 (a) (5) (A)
EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANTS NOT SUBJECT TO PER COUNTRY LIMITATION IF ADDITIONAL VISAS AVAILABLE- If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 203(b) for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter
My intension is simple.
Even if SKIL/CIR bill passed in near future, if DOS or USCIS does not implement the law accordingly, it will be disaster for oversubscribed countries like India and China.
I would have to be an absolute moron to contribute to IV, and to work for it, if at the end it costs me more in getting a green card.
So, either you think that IV-ers from ROW are morons. Or you want them to quit, and turn this organization into an Indians-only group.
Its as simple as that. You can quote all the laws in the universe, and come up with all the fancy logic that you want. But what I have said above is what it all boils down to.
No one here takes advantage of any group. We are talking here is what law says and how it is implemented by various agencies. The problem is there is doubt that DOS has not understood the law. No one is against ROW and loves India and China. US immigration simply based on preference catagories. For example, wife of U.S citzen will be given first preference in immigration (FB1) compare to brothers and sisters of US permanent residents (FB4or5). This is the law.
Similar thing in employment catagories too. Before 2000, there is a verical spill over of EB visas. Becase of this, a high skilled workers from India/China has to wait more compare to low skilled workers from ROW. This practice will not put US in technological edge. Thats why AC21 law implemented.
After 2000, congress removed country quota in all EB catagoires. The simple reason is to make US competiveness in 21st century. The intend is simple.
The simple meaning of AC21 law is, for example, let us assume following hypothitical situation. There are 40,000 noble prize winners from Mexico. All of them applying EB1 visas in a FY. In same FY, no one from other countries applied EB1 visa. As per AC21 rule, entire 40,000 visas (100%) goes to Mexico in EB1 irrsepective of how EB2 or EB3 or FE catagories are retrogressed or howmany mexians in EB/FB are waiting. This is what congress intend to promote high skilled immigrants to USA. This is what american competivness in 21 century. The intent here is noble prize winners should not wait even if they are from oversubscribed countries like mexico.
If you read word by word of AC21 rule ..you will understand what I am saying.
INA 202 (a) (5) (A)
EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANTS NOT SUBJECT TO PER COUNTRY LIMITATION IF ADDITIONAL VISAS AVAILABLE- If the total number of visas available under paragraph (1), (2), (3), (4), or (5) of section 203(b) for a calendar quarter exceeds the number of qualified immigrants who may otherwise be issued such visas, the visas made available under that paragraph shall be issued without regard to the numerical limitation under paragraph (2) of this subsection during the remainder of the calendar quarter
My intension is simple.
Even if SKIL/CIR bill passed in near future, if DOS or USCIS does not implement the law accordingly, it will be disaster for oversubscribed countries like India and China.
Ultra! Thanks for good article. femdom
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